BD 172-174 Sherlock, Jr., The General & Steamboat Bill, Jr.

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Re: 172-174 Sherlock, Jr., The General & Steamboat Bill, Jr.

#51 Post by TMDaines » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:29 am

This box set is the dog's bollocks. If you've never seen any of the three films here, you are in for a great time. The extras I've watched are all fantastic too and I'm excited to see more Keaton. One of MoC's very best.

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#52 Post by senseabove » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:22 pm

Are there really no screencap comparisons with the Kino releases anywhere yet? I know it's going to be an improvement, but, ya know, I'd like to see it with my own eyes before I inevitably convince myself to double dip on these...

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#53 Post by Drucker » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:26 pm

It is night and day compared to Kino. If you love Keaton they are essential.

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#54 Post by swo17 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:30 pm

But what about the more recent 4K Kino reissues?


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#56 Post by Roscoe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:09 am

Well, the original Kino Keaton Blu-Rays were not the Lobster "restorations." I got the Kino/Lobster release of the Keaton shorts, and much preferred the original Kino Blu-Ray, the Kino/Lobster versions looking frankly rather washed out, almost bleached. I read at least one review of the Kino/Lobster release of THE GENERAL that preferred the original Kino Blu-Ray, and after my experience with the short films I didn't bother to get it.

These Cohen 4K restorations are glorious. THE GENERAL in particular looks like it was shot yesterday. My multi-region Blu-ray player is more than justified.

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#57 Post by whaleallright » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:15 pm

I assume that Cohen themselves will be releasing these in the USA...? Are these the only Keaton features that have benefited from this new(er) round of restorations?

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#58 Post by andyli » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:53 pm

It's going to be a massive project comparable to the Chaplin one over at Cineteca di Bologna. The goal is to restore, over time, all Keaton's silents.

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#59 Post by Ribs » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:59 pm

No word from Cohen about when they'll be releasing them over here, but I believe as of mid-2017 these were the only ones they had completed.

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#60 Post by whaleallright » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:13 pm

andyli wrote:It's going to be a massive project comparable to the Chaplin one over at Cineteca di Bologna. The goal is to restore, over time, all Keaton's silents.

Thanks! This is probably a product of me getting older and time seeming to run faster, but it feels like yesterday that Lobster debuted their own restorations of Keaton's films, to considerable fanfare or at least gratitude. I was inclined to wait to purchase these new restorations until something equivalent to Kino's enormous Keaton set arrived, but it sounds like these will be released piecemeal for the foreseeable future.

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#61 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:29 pm

According to Cohen's website Our Hospitality and Seven Chances are also available in 4k.

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#62 Post by Mr. Guy » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:32 pm

The other Keaton films that have been restored thus far other than The General, Sherlock Jr., and Steamboat Bill Jr, include Seven Chances, Our Hospitality, and Battling Butler, they are also working on all of the shorts and have completed Neighbors, The Goat,the High Sign, Cops, and One Week

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#63 Post by What A Disgrace » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:12 pm

I've no interest in re-buying the shorts for a 4th time, however that manifests itself*, but I'll buy a MoC triple feature of Seven Chances, Our Hospitality and Battling Butler.

*The exception is if its an actual UHD release.

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#64 Post by denti alligator » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:06 pm

Glad I held off getting the BR of the Shorts. So, are the rest of these coming? I'm selling off my Kinos now, but just want to be sure.

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#65 Post by Roscoe » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:27 pm

FWIW -- I saw the new restoration of BATTLING BUTLER, the Cohen restoration that is, at the San Francisco Silent Film Festival a few weeks back, and it is a marvel. Clean and clear and razor sharp, looking like it was shot yesterday. Cohen can't get these restorations to us eager US buyers fast enough.

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#66 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:50 pm

I’m very surprised Cohen has released these yet. I wonder if they have rights issues for the physical media.

I wonder/hope that MoC will eventually sell these as standalones.

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#67 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:51 am

This set is showing no longer available on the MoC site. If it went out of print that has to be the fastest I’ve seen, one year and two months.


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#68 Post by Drucker » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 am

I assume their Keaton sets sell very well. Shocked they wouldn’t keep it in print!

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#69 Post by Jonathan S » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:31 am

I'd expect them to reissue it either as individual films or in some slightly abbreviated form, as they did with the Vertov set, which I think sold out even faster (though perhaps MoC printed fewer copies of that). I'm surprised the Keaton took so long to go OOP, as some people were warning it might sell out this time last year.

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#70 Post by swo17 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:17 pm

Woah, gone from everywhere already

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#71 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:49 pm

I'm sure they'll reissue these in good time, it would be foolish not to.

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#72 Post by Emilio » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:00 pm

Got them just in time...

Tonight, I watched Sherlock Jr, and, of course, I had a blast!

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#73 Post by swo17 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:12 pm

This is getting a new release on August 12. It's now in a single case (like the Lubitsch in Berlin set), has only one Peter Kramer interview instead of three, and the 60-page book is now a booklet which I assume will be about half the size.

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#74 Post by Florinaldo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:28 pm

swo17 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:12 pm
It's now in a single case (like the Lubitsch in Berlin set), has only one Peter Kramer interview instead of three, and the 60-page book is now a booklet which I assume will be about half the size.
Can anyone confirm that there were indeed three Peter Kramer interviews in the original box set? Although many reviews mention that, I have found contradicting information on the Web, mostly pictures of the back of the box set (not the reissue) and of the individual cases that mention a Kramer piece only for The General. It would seem strange to make new pressings of 2 discs only to remove the two allegedly missing clips.

As for the booklet, the contemporary reviews were removed and a portion of the archival photos from what I could find.

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#75 Post by Ovader » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:48 pm

I have the original box set and there is only one Kramer interview for THE GENERAL.

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