89-91 / BD 43, 69, 229 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#101 Post by peerpee » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:38 pm

To be sure, listen to the Kalat commentary on MoC CITY GIRL (or on any Criterion) and let me know! :)

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#102 Post by EddieLarkin » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:54 pm

Actually, in his introduction to the commentary Kalat says "over the next 115 minutes", which is the 25fps runtime. I listened to the City Girl Blu-ray commentary a few weeks ago and I'd say in Testaments case, 25fps Kalat is authentic Kalat!

Btw, anyone here who might dismiss a film like Godzilla, or who have seen it before and didn't appreciate it, should know that Kalat's commentaries on the Criterion disc are the best he ever did and worth the price of the disc alone. Don't miss out!

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#103 Post by repeat » Wed May 01, 2013 1:30 am

A propos, how do people here cope with speed-up? Do you try to avoid affected discs, or work your way around it somehow, or just not pay attention to it? I'm quite sensitive to playback speed myself (be it film, tape or vinyl) - it's worst if there's a familiar actor or a familiar song on the soundtrack, but it does bother me in principal. The only solution I've found is to watch speeded-up PAL discs on the Mac, where with some tinkering the playback speed can be set to 0.96 (MPlayer OSX is the only program I've found that can do this - VLC totally fucks up the audio if you turn off timestreching - but for some reason or another it refuses to open some discs completely)

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#104 Post by MichaelB » Wed May 01, 2013 2:17 am

Having lived all my life in a country where PAL video is standard, it doesn't bother me at all. I only really notice if I'm QCing a dual-format project, but that wouldn't apply to most people's situations.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#105 Post by repeat » Wed May 01, 2013 2:44 am

MichaelB wrote:Having lived all my life in a country where PAL video is standard
I know - me too, and I used to not mind (or even notice), but it did become a problem when I started paying attention to it. I remember the first time I heard a familiar song speeded-up in a film, I didn't know anything about NTSC/PAL speed differences back then, and I just couldn't fathom why the director would have chosen to include it at the wrong speed. Very distracting.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#106 Post by Gregor Samsa » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:31 am

Dr. Mabuse, Der Spieler is getting a blu upgrade in October:

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#107 Post by Orlac » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:43 am

Gregor Samsa wrote:Dr. Mabuse, Der Spieler is getting a blu upgrade in October:
Yay!

That just leaves the 60s films, but I'm not aware if any of them have had a video transfer done since the early 2000s.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#108 Post by eerik » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:08 pm

Nothing new for the Blu-ray:
  • New, officially licensed transfer from restored HD materials
  • New and improved optional English subtitles with original intertitles
  • Exclusive feature-length audio commentary by film-scholar and Lang expert David Kalat
  • Three video pieces: an interview with the composer of the restoration score, a discussion of Norbert Jacques, creator of Dr. Mabuse, and an examination of the film’s motifs in the context of German silent cinema
  • 32-Page Booklet featuring vintage reprints of writing by Lang

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#109 Post by Der Spieler » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:18 pm

I'm pleased with this upgrade, but I don't want to part with the gorgeous DVD set.

I remember how thrilled I was when I got it.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#110 Post by EddieLarkin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:46 pm

Since this release will not be Dual Format, I'll be keeping my DVD since Kalat's commentary will have to be slowed down to match the Blu-ray run time, the same way Testament was.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#111 Post by andyli » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:53 pm

At least the transfer is new, I hope!? The old transfer was done in SD, if memory serves. I was actually a little surprised when I saw the announcement, because a new HD scan of Dr. Mabuse was my long secret wish. When did FWMS do this?

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#112 Post by HJackson » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:59 pm

EddieLarkin wrote:Since this release will not be Dual Format, I'll be keeping my DVD since Kalat's commentary will have to be slowed down to match the Blu-ray run time, the same way Testament was.
Didn't the DVD run at the equivalent of 20fps anyway though?

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#113 Post by EddieLarkin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:20 pm

HJackson wrote:
EddieLarkin wrote:Since this release will not be Dual Format, I'll be keeping my DVD since Kalat's commentary will have to be slowed down to match the Blu-ray run time, the same way Testament was.
Didn't the DVD run at the equivalent of 20fps anyway though?
Hmm, I'm not sure. It is definitely a PAL/50hz disc (run time: 270mins), but since it was a PAL area resto, it may be that it was indeed transferred as 20fps within 25hz, and it's the NTSC discs that are slowed down. In which case, the Blu-ray should retain the 270 minute run time, but have 20fps within 24hz instead (no doubt with frame duplicating a la Passion of Joan). If this is the case, Kalat's pitch should be unaffected!

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#114 Post by David M. » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:16 pm

I don't have that disc to hand, but if the frame rate is something like 16 or 18fps, the best way to get that to PAL would be to repeat frames to get up to 25, not change the playback speed.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#115 Post by kekid » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:41 pm

Please forgive me if this is obvious to everyone else. The title of this track is "The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset", but the listings on Amazon and DVDBeaver show only "Dr Mabuse Der Spieler". Is this BD set complete (i.e., includes the previously released "Testament of Dr Mabuse") or does is include only the unreleased "Der Spieler" in BD? If it is the complete set, it does not seem to be listed anywhere.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 The Complete Fritz Lang Mabuse Boxset

#116 Post by swo17 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:09 pm

Sorry if the thread title is confusing. On DVD, all three films are only available in a boxset. On Blu-ray, the first two films are only available separately (and the only title recently announced was Der Spieler). Does anyone have a suggestion about how to better title the thread? Maybe just "Fritz Lang's Dr. Mabuse"? It can only be 42 characters long including spaces.

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Re: 89-91 / BD 43, 69 Fritz Lang's Dr. Mabuse

#117 Post by andyli » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:19 pm

How about "Dr. Mabuse Boxset & 2 blu-ray standalones"? 41 characters by my count.

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#118 Post by zedz » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:54 pm

Or "The Dr Mabuse Films", to allow for future variations on the releases.

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#119 Post by swo17 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:34 pm

Of course, if they eventually upgrade 1000 Eyes, the thread title can be changed again at that time. I think the present title will work for now.

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#120 Post by Tommaso » Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:24 pm

That's right, though it only goes for the thread title. The " 2 Blu-ray sin" displayed on top of the individual posts may however work as a welcome reminder to MoC for those who think that they should put out a blu of "1000 Eyes", too ;)

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#121 Post by domino harvey » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:17 pm

Dr. Mabuse Der Spieler Blu now also coming in Steelbook as well

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#122 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:48 pm


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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#123 Post by Der Spieler » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:01 am

Am I the only one who thinks the contrast looked better on the DVD?

The shot of Mabuse's face looks way too bright.

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#124 Post by peerpee » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:33 am

I thought that too, from Beaver's grabs, but you can't really tell until you see it on a well-calibrated system – and I haven't seen it yet.

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Re: 89-91 The Complete Lang Mabuse / BD 43, 69 2 Blu-ray sin

#125 Post by MichaelB » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:52 am

I have checkdiscs and a well-calibrated system - I'll give it a look when I get a moment.

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