Seijun Suzuki
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Seijun Suzuki (b. 1923)
FILMOGRAPHY
Cheers at the Harbour: Triumph in My Hands (Minato no kanpai: Shori wo wagate ni) (1956)
Pure Emotions of the Sea (Hozuna wa utau: Umi no junjo) (1956)
Town of Devils (Akuma no machi) (1956)
Floating Hotel (Ukigusa no yado) (1957)
Eight Hours of Horror (Hachijikan no Kyofu) (1957)
Nude Girl with a Gun (Rajo to kenju) (1957)
The Spring That Didn't Come (Fumihazushita haru) (1958)
Underworld Beauty (Ankokugai no bijo) (1958) HVE
Voice in the Shadows (Kagenaki koe) (1958)
Blue Breasts II (Humihazushita haru: Aoi chibusa II) (1958)
Love Letter (Rabu Retaa) (1959)
Passport to the Underworld (Ankoku no Ryoken) (1959)
Naked Age (Suppadaka no Nenrei) (1959)
Fighting Delinquents (Kutabare gurentai) (1960) Yume
Take Aim at the Police Van (Jûsangô taihi-sen ori: Sono gôshô o nerae) (1960)
Beastly Sleep (Kemono no nemuri) (1960)
Undercover 0-Line (Mikko 0-rain) (1960)
Everything Is Crazy (Subete ga kurutteru) (1960)
Tokyo Knights (Tokyo kishitai) (1961)
Bloody Channel (Kaikyo, chi ni somete) (1961)
Go to Hell, Youth Gangs! (Kutabare! Guren-tai) (1961)
The Man with the Hollow-tip Bullets (Sandan-ju no otoko) (1961)
Reckless Boss (Muteppo-daisho) (1961)
Million Dollar Match (Hyakuman doru o tatakidase) (1961)
New Wind over the Mountain (Toge o wataru wakai kaze) (1961)
Those Who Bet on Me (Ore ni kaketa yatsura) (1962)
Teen Yakuza (Hai tiin yakuza) (1962)
The Bastard (Akutaro) (1963)
Kanto Wanderer (Kanto mushuku) (1963) HVE
Detective Office 2-3: Go to Hell, Bastards! (Tantei jimusho 23: Kutabare akuto-domo) (1963) HK Video
Youth of the Beast (Yaju no seishun) (1963) Criterion
Blood Doesn't Forgive (Oretachi no chi ga yurusanai) (1964)
Flowers and the Angry Waves (Hana to doto) (1964) Yume
Gate of Flesh (Nikutai no mon) (1964) Criterion
Born under a Bad Star (Akutaro-den: Warui hoshi no shita demo) (1965)
Tattooed Life (Irezumi ichidai) (1965) HVE
Story of a Prostitute (Shunpu den) (1965) Criterion
Carmen from Kawachi (Kawachi Karumen) (1966)
Fighting Elegy (Kenka erejii) (1966) Criterion /
Yume
Tokyo Drifter (Tôkyô nagaremono) (1966) Yume / Criterion
Branded to Kill (Koroshi no rakuin) (1967) Yume / Criterion
Good Evening Dear Husband: A Duel (Aisaikun konban wa: Aru kettou) (1968) (TV)
There's a Bird Inside a Man (Otoko no naka ni wa tori ga iru) (1969)
A Mummy's Love (Miira no koi) (1970) (TV)
Story of Grief and Sorrow (Hishu monogatari) (1977) Panorama
The Fang in the Hole (Ana no kiba) (1979) (TV)
Lupin III – Season 3 (1980) (TV) various episodes
Chen Wuchen's ‘The Nail of the Holy Beast' (Chin shunshin no sjinjuu no tsume) (1980) (TV) episode of Ellery Queen Masterpieces
Zigeunerweisen (Tsigoineruwaizen) (1980) Kino
Mirage Theater (Kageroza) (1981) Kino
Storm of Falling Petals – Banner of a Fireman in the Flames (Hana Fubuki – Honou ni mau ichiban matoi) (1983) Video
Cherry Blossoms in Spring (Seijun sakura hensou) (1983) TV
The Choice of a Family – I'll Kill Your Husband for You (Kazoku no sentaku – Anata no teishi o koroshite ageru) (1983) video
Capone Crying Hard (Kapone oi ni naku) (1985)
Lupin III: Legend of Babylon (Rupan sansei: Babiron no Ogon densetsu) (1985)
Yumeji (1991) Kino
Marriage (Kekkon) (1993) omnibus film
Pistol Opera (Pisutoru opera) (2001) Media Blaster / Yume
Princess Raccoon (Operetta tanuki goten) (2005)Mei Ah / Yume / Japanese DVD (no English subs)
RECOMMENDED WEB RESOURCES
Senses of Cinema
Midnight Eye interview
45 Caliber Samurai – A Seijun Suzuki Tribute Site
FILMS
Princess Raccoon
DVD
(If you plan to purchase online, please use the links at the
bottom of the forum to help keep this place going)
Tokyo Drifter
Branded to Kill
Youth of the Beast and Fighting Elegy
Gate of Flesh
Story of Prostitute
Criterion's Obsession with Suzuki (Suzuki as bête noire of “realâ€
FILMOGRAPHY
Cheers at the Harbour: Triumph in My Hands (Minato no kanpai: Shori wo wagate ni) (1956)
Pure Emotions of the Sea (Hozuna wa utau: Umi no junjo) (1956)
Town of Devils (Akuma no machi) (1956)
Floating Hotel (Ukigusa no yado) (1957)
Eight Hours of Horror (Hachijikan no Kyofu) (1957)
Nude Girl with a Gun (Rajo to kenju) (1957)
The Spring That Didn't Come (Fumihazushita haru) (1958)
Underworld Beauty (Ankokugai no bijo) (1958) HVE
Voice in the Shadows (Kagenaki koe) (1958)
Blue Breasts II (Humihazushita haru: Aoi chibusa II) (1958)
Love Letter (Rabu Retaa) (1959)
Passport to the Underworld (Ankoku no Ryoken) (1959)
Naked Age (Suppadaka no Nenrei) (1959)
Fighting Delinquents (Kutabare gurentai) (1960) Yume
Take Aim at the Police Van (Jûsangô taihi-sen ori: Sono gôshô o nerae) (1960)
Beastly Sleep (Kemono no nemuri) (1960)
Undercover 0-Line (Mikko 0-rain) (1960)
Everything Is Crazy (Subete ga kurutteru) (1960)
Tokyo Knights (Tokyo kishitai) (1961)
Bloody Channel (Kaikyo, chi ni somete) (1961)
Go to Hell, Youth Gangs! (Kutabare! Guren-tai) (1961)
The Man with the Hollow-tip Bullets (Sandan-ju no otoko) (1961)
Reckless Boss (Muteppo-daisho) (1961)
Million Dollar Match (Hyakuman doru o tatakidase) (1961)
New Wind over the Mountain (Toge o wataru wakai kaze) (1961)
Those Who Bet on Me (Ore ni kaketa yatsura) (1962)
Teen Yakuza (Hai tiin yakuza) (1962)
The Bastard (Akutaro) (1963)
Kanto Wanderer (Kanto mushuku) (1963) HVE
Detective Office 2-3: Go to Hell, Bastards! (Tantei jimusho 23: Kutabare akuto-domo) (1963) HK Video
Youth of the Beast (Yaju no seishun) (1963) Criterion
Blood Doesn't Forgive (Oretachi no chi ga yurusanai) (1964)
Flowers and the Angry Waves (Hana to doto) (1964) Yume
Gate of Flesh (Nikutai no mon) (1964) Criterion
Born under a Bad Star (Akutaro-den: Warui hoshi no shita demo) (1965)
Tattooed Life (Irezumi ichidai) (1965) HVE
Story of a Prostitute (Shunpu den) (1965) Criterion
Carmen from Kawachi (Kawachi Karumen) (1966)
Fighting Elegy (Kenka erejii) (1966) Criterion /
Yume
Tokyo Drifter (Tôkyô nagaremono) (1966) Yume / Criterion
Branded to Kill (Koroshi no rakuin) (1967) Yume / Criterion
Good Evening Dear Husband: A Duel (Aisaikun konban wa: Aru kettou) (1968) (TV)
There's a Bird Inside a Man (Otoko no naka ni wa tori ga iru) (1969)
A Mummy's Love (Miira no koi) (1970) (TV)
Story of Grief and Sorrow (Hishu monogatari) (1977) Panorama
The Fang in the Hole (Ana no kiba) (1979) (TV)
Lupin III – Season 3 (1980) (TV) various episodes
Chen Wuchen's ‘The Nail of the Holy Beast' (Chin shunshin no sjinjuu no tsume) (1980) (TV) episode of Ellery Queen Masterpieces
Zigeunerweisen (Tsigoineruwaizen) (1980) Kino
Mirage Theater (Kageroza) (1981) Kino
Storm of Falling Petals – Banner of a Fireman in the Flames (Hana Fubuki – Honou ni mau ichiban matoi) (1983) Video
Cherry Blossoms in Spring (Seijun sakura hensou) (1983) TV
The Choice of a Family – I'll Kill Your Husband for You (Kazoku no sentaku – Anata no teishi o koroshite ageru) (1983) video
Capone Crying Hard (Kapone oi ni naku) (1985)
Lupin III: Legend of Babylon (Rupan sansei: Babiron no Ogon densetsu) (1985)
Yumeji (1991) Kino
Marriage (Kekkon) (1993) omnibus film
Pistol Opera (Pisutoru opera) (2001) Media Blaster / Yume
Princess Raccoon (Operetta tanuki goten) (2005)Mei Ah / Yume / Japanese DVD (no English subs)
RECOMMENDED WEB RESOURCES
Senses of Cinema
Midnight Eye interview
45 Caliber Samurai – A Seijun Suzuki Tribute Site
FILMS
Princess Raccoon
DVD
(If you plan to purchase online, please use the links at the
bottom of the forum to help keep this place going)
Tokyo Drifter
Branded to Kill
Youth of the Beast and Fighting Elegy
Gate of Flesh
Story of Prostitute
Criterion's Obsession with Suzuki (Suzuki as bête noire of “realâ€
- Hrossa
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I thought I'd start a thread similar to Annie Mall's Ken Russell thread. I've seen a fair amount of discussion as to superior image quality of a non-Criterion release of Tokyo Drifter in that thread, and I'd love to see some comments on other films by Suzuki that have been released.
So, as a starter: Here is a list of the Seijun Suzuki releases available from Criterion and HVE:
Story of a Prostitute (1965)
DVDBeaver
Gate of Flesh (1964)
DVD Savant DVDBeaver
Youth of the Beast (1963)
DVD Verdict
Fighting Elegy (1966)
notcoming.com
Tokyo Drifter (1966)
DVD Verdict
Branded to Kill (1967)
DVD Savant review
Tattooed Life (1965)
DVDBeaver review
DVD Savant review
Kanto Wanderer (1965)
DVDBeaver review
DVD Savant review
Underworld Beauty (1958)
DVDSavant review
Released by Media Blaster, Inc.:
Pistol Opera (2002)
Midnight Eye
DVD Beaver
Foreign Releases:
Gate of Flesh (1964)
Hanzibar Films (UK) - Region 0
Pagan (UK) - Region 2
Branded to Kill (1967)
Second Sight Films (UK) - Region 0
Tokyo Drifter (1966)
Second Sight Films (UK) - Region 0
French Box Sets:
Vol. 1 - HK Video (FR) - Region 2
Includes: Branded to Kill, Youth of the Beast, Gate of Flesh
Vol 2. - HK Video (FR) - Region 2
Includes: Tokyo Drifter, Detective Bureau 2-3, Fighting Elegy
A Tale of Sorrow and Sadness (1977)
Panorama (HK) - Region 0 - English Subtitles
SuperHappyFun.com releases:
With English subtitles -
Detective Agency 2-3: Go To Hell! (1963) - DVDr
A Tale of Sorrow and Sadness (1977) - DVDr
Titles without English subititles:
Zigeunerweisen (1980)
Yumeji (1991)
Capone Cries A Lot (1985)
Mirage Theater (1981)
Carmen from Kawachi (1966)
Story of Bastards: Born Under a Bad Star (1965)
The Bastard (1963)
The Flower and the Angry Waves (1964)
Our Blood Will Not Forgive (1964)
I'll post links to reviews for each release as I get a chance and my own thoughts on them. I just bought Kanto Wanderer and Tattooed Life, so I'll watch them and report back soon. I really would like to hear about international releases of Suzuki films from those of you who have seen them and how they stack up to the Criterion and HVE releases.
So, as a starter: Here is a list of the Seijun Suzuki releases available from Criterion and HVE:
Story of a Prostitute (1965)
DVDBeaver
Gate of Flesh (1964)
DVD Savant DVDBeaver
Youth of the Beast (1963)
DVD Verdict
Fighting Elegy (1966)
notcoming.com
Tokyo Drifter (1966)
DVD Verdict
Branded to Kill (1967)
DVD Savant review
Tattooed Life (1965)
DVDBeaver review
DVD Savant review
Kanto Wanderer (1965)
DVDBeaver review
DVD Savant review
Underworld Beauty (1958)
DVDSavant review
Released by Media Blaster, Inc.:
Pistol Opera (2002)
Midnight Eye
DVD Beaver
Foreign Releases:
Gate of Flesh (1964)
Hanzibar Films (UK) - Region 0
Pagan (UK) - Region 2
Branded to Kill (1967)
Second Sight Films (UK) - Region 0
Tokyo Drifter (1966)
Second Sight Films (UK) - Region 0
French Box Sets:
Vol. 1 - HK Video (FR) - Region 2
Includes: Branded to Kill, Youth of the Beast, Gate of Flesh
Vol 2. - HK Video (FR) - Region 2
Includes: Tokyo Drifter, Detective Bureau 2-3, Fighting Elegy
A Tale of Sorrow and Sadness (1977)
Panorama (HK) - Region 0 - English Subtitles
SuperHappyFun.com releases:
With English subtitles -
Detective Agency 2-3: Go To Hell! (1963) - DVDr
A Tale of Sorrow and Sadness (1977) - DVDr
Titles without English subititles:
Zigeunerweisen (1980)
Yumeji (1991)
Capone Cries A Lot (1985)
Mirage Theater (1981)
Carmen from Kawachi (1966)
Story of Bastards: Born Under a Bad Star (1965)
The Bastard (1963)
The Flower and the Angry Waves (1964)
Our Blood Will Not Forgive (1964)
I'll post links to reviews for each release as I get a chance and my own thoughts on them. I just bought Kanto Wanderer and Tattooed Life, so I'll watch them and report back soon. I really would like to hear about international releases of Suzuki films from those of you who have seen them and how they stack up to the Criterion and HVE releases.
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- Pinback
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There's also an acceptable UK DVD release of Gate of Flesh (1964). I thought it had been cut when I watched it, but according to the British Board of Film Classification the film was passed for DVD release with no cuts made.
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- the dancing kid
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I have all of the R1 Suzuki's. The Homevision discs are pretty good, and with the exception of a few moments of Underworld Beauty, the image quality is quite impressive. I think the Criterion titles are better films overall, but the Homevision movies are probably more representative of his genre work, so I would definitely recommend them to fans or anyone with an interest in Japanese cinema.
Story of a Prostitute is probably my favorite of his films, and I would stop sniffing rice to get a DVD copy of it. Gate of Flesh is quite good as well, and is an interesting precussor to the pinku eiga period at Nikkatsu (I think it was the first mainstream Japanese film with nudity). I would really like to see Carmen from Kawachi as well, which is the third part of his "Flesh Trilogy", which all feature the same actress. They all deal with prostitution and the exploitation of women.
Has anyone seen any of his "Taisho Trilogy" films? I've only gotten the chance to se the first, Zigeunerweisen, which I unfortunately had to watch without subtitles. It was...an interesting experience.
Story of a Prostitute is probably my favorite of his films, and I would stop sniffing rice to get a DVD copy of it. Gate of Flesh is quite good as well, and is an interesting precussor to the pinku eiga period at Nikkatsu (I think it was the first mainstream Japanese film with nudity). I would really like to see Carmen from Kawachi as well, which is the third part of his "Flesh Trilogy", which all feature the same actress. They all deal with prostitution and the exploitation of women.
Has anyone seen any of his "Taisho Trilogy" films? I've only gotten the chance to se the first, Zigeunerweisen, which I unfortunately had to watch without subtitles. It was...an interesting experience.
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- Nihonophile
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Was there much talk in Zig? Pistol Opera had little dialogue and although knowing what they say helps me enjoy the movie on the surface, its the visuals that say it all.the dancing kid wrote:Has anyone seen any of his "Taisho Trilogy" films? I've only gotten the chance to se the first, Zigeunerweisen, which I unfortunately had to watch without subtitles. It was...an interesting experience.
www.superhappyfun.com/ has bureau 2-3 with english subtitles and the taisho trilogy without.
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There is plenty of talking in Zigeunerweisen, if memory serves. I wouldn't recommend watching it without subs. It's mysterious enough as it is without the lack of subs to make it even more difficult!
Very excited to hear about Detective Bureau 2-3 Go to Hell Bastards! being available on DVD! I've been dying to see that one for ages.
Thanks for the tip, Nihonophile!
Very excited to hear about Detective Bureau 2-3 Go to Hell Bastards! being available on DVD! I've been dying to see that one for ages.
Thanks for the tip, Nihonophile!
- Hrossa
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Wow, excited by all of the responses. I'll probably add as much information about the foreign and bootleg releases to my first post when I get the time.
Thanks for the input everyone! I'm on my way to superhappyfun to check out that Detective Bureau 2-3 release.
Just posted what is hopefully a more complete list. Let me know of any mistakes or additions.
Thanks for the input everyone! I'm on my way to superhappyfun to check out that Detective Bureau 2-3 release.
Just posted what is hopefully a more complete list. Let me know of any mistakes or additions.
- the dancing kid
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There are a few more Japanese discs here. I'm guessing the Superhappyfun copies of the Taisho films are copied from these DVDs, though I think a few of them say they are from laserdiscs. It looks like none of these have English subtitles, but the version of Pistol Opera they have comes with an audio commentary! It doesn't say who it is on the track though, and from the interviews I've read, Suzuki seems to take the John Ford approach to talking about his films, so I'm guessing it's either someone else or it's a really sparse commentary.
Pistol Opera Special Collector's Edition
Pistol Opera Special Collector's Edition
- Hrossa
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- manicsounds
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Suzuki is on the commentary, as listed on the packaging,the dancing kid wrote: but the version of Pistol Opera they have comes with an audio commentary! It doesn't say who it is on the track though, and from the interviews I've read, Suzuki seems to take the John Ford approach to talking about his films, so I'm guessing it's either someone else or it's a really sparse commentary.
but I havent heard it. Its a cast and crew commentary
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A Tale of Sorrow and Sadness is also available with English subs as a legit HK dvd from Panorama:
- Hrossa
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- feihong
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The French discs don't have English subs. Superhappyfun.com has the French disc of Detective Bureau subbed. It's pretty crude (it's massively overscanned, it loses a lot of picture quality, and the subs are really bare-bones, old HK-style subs), but you can watch the film now. It's fun, a great film, and worthy of a legit release next to Youth of the Beast. Too bad no one's picked up on it. Jo Shishido is at his most debonair in this one. The other releases there have no English subs and are from Japanese laserdiscs. Can't speak to the quality, but there are many there I want to see.
Zigeunerweisen, my cause celebre, is a tough enough movie WITH subtitles. Without I would even hazard that it is completely impenetrable. It is a film structured around a series of conversations. Events occur in the film, mostly off-screen, and the conversations reflect those events and inspire action among the characters, most of which gets cut away from before it fully plays out. It's a very enigmatic film, and language is absolutely necessary to the experience--it's also about the articulation of different cultural ideals and their juxtaposition, which demands verbal understanding in order to make any kind of sense.
Zigeunerweisen, my cause celebre, is a tough enough movie WITH subtitles. Without I would even hazard that it is completely impenetrable. It is a film structured around a series of conversations. Events occur in the film, mostly off-screen, and the conversations reflect those events and inspire action among the characters, most of which gets cut away from before it fully plays out. It's a very enigmatic film, and language is absolutely necessary to the experience--it's also about the articulation of different cultural ideals and their juxtaposition, which demands verbal understanding in order to make any kind of sense.
- Pinback
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According the the Lupin Encyclopedia, Suzuki's entry into the Lupin III series, Lupin III: Legend of the Gold of Babylon [Rupan sansei: Babiron no Ogon densetsu] (1985, co-directed with Shigetsugu Yoshida) is available in Japan (no English subtitles) as a single film or as part of a limited edition Lupin III box set...
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I'm purposely waiting to add Gate of Flesh and Story of a Prostitute to the list until they are officially announced by Criterion. I just want to play it safe. But, I am extremely excited about the prospect of having both of them in a good release from Criterion.
My comments on Tattooed Life and Kanto Wanderer have been delayed by the fact that I'm working on my thesis. In May, I'll have a lot more to add here.
My comments on Tattooed Life and Kanto Wanderer have been delayed by the fact that I'm working on my thesis. In May, I'll have a lot more to add here.
- Keaton
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Here are comparisons of the criterion and the second sight disk's:
Tokyo Drifter
Branded to Kill
The Criterion's are obviously better, better contrast and sharpness and the SS doesn't show much more picture at all.
I hope the pictures of the comparison are up again in some time (yesterday they were), than you can see it with your own eyes.
Tokyo Drifter
Branded to Kill
The Criterion's are obviously better, better contrast and sharpness and the SS doesn't show much more picture at all.
No question about that the criterions are everything but perfect. The only thing is that the uk disk's are even worse.Reviewing Criterion's "Branded to Kill," DVDBeaver comments "this very early non-anamorphic Criterion DVD looks very poor. One of their worst - no question. It is quite hazy with shallow contrast."
As to "Tokyo Drifter," DVDBeaver says "I'll wager Criterion would like to forget this release"!
I guess all reviews are ultimately subjective. My eyes concur with the views by DVDBeaver and I would still say the Second Sight discs, admittedly far from perfect, are still better.
I hope the pictures of the comparison are up again in some time (yesterday they were), than you can see it with your own eyes.
- Nihonophile
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- feihong
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I didn't know it was Kimstim, but from what I heard the trilogy is acquired for DVD release. Kimstim doesn't have a great record, but hopefully this is a chance for them to proove themselves.
A new French discset is out, including Story of a Prostitute, Tattooed Life, and Flower and the Angry Waves. No English subs. Can't speak to the quality of the releases, but I've heard the other two sets were high quality.
Also, superhappyfun's disc of Story of Grief and Sorrow is the same transfer as the Panorama disc, which is cropped from 2.35:1 closer to about 1.78:1
A new French discset is out, including Story of a Prostitute, Tattooed Life, and Flower and the Angry Waves. No English subs. Can't speak to the quality of the releases, but I've heard the other two sets were high quality.
Also, superhappyfun's disc of Story of Grief and Sorrow is the same transfer as the Panorama disc, which is cropped from 2.35:1 closer to about 1.78:1
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