The Future of Home Video

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TMDaines
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Re: The Future of Home Video

#426 Post by TMDaines » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:47 pm

As always, the backchannels provide an invaluable service for helping ensure the widest array of content will remain available to a wide-ranging auidence. The commerical, legal streaming sites do not have that purpose.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#427 Post by movielocke » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:46 pm

TMDaines wrote:
As always, the backchannels provide an invaluable service for helping ensure the widest array of content will remain available to a wide-ranging auidence. The commerical, legal streaming sites do not have that purpose.
This rationalization reminds me of a quote from one of my wife’s favorite movies, (we just watched it again)
Rocket Raccoon: Question. What if I see something that I wanna take and it belongs to someone else?

Rhomann Dey: Then you will be arrested.

Rocket Raccoon: But what if I want it more than the person who has it?

Rhomann Dey: Still illegal.

Rocket Raccoon: That doesn't follow. No, I want it more, sir. Do you understand me?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#428 Post by Tropical Kaiju » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Quick question, all of you...

Should I spring for an Oppo UDP-203 while still available? I don't have any European of Japanese Blu ray discs, but I've been meaning to upgrade my system. I understand 4K discs are not region encoded at all. So, it would only be necessary to open up the possibility of buying non-region 1 blus.

I'm very happy with my Oppo multi-region DVD player, which is still trucking´after a long, long time.

I'm still burned by getting a HD-DVD player a month before Toshiba lost the format wars to Sony...

Is this a fool's errand?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#429 Post by Drucker » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:46 pm

No. The player is fantastic, especially if you have CDs/SACDs.

The 203 is also available PRE-MODDED from 220 Electronics for the same cost of buying the player and doing the mod yourself via USB. I bought this two months ago and have been incredibly happy.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#430 Post by furbicide » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:31 pm

TMDaines wrote:
As always, the backchannels provide an invaluable service for helping ensure the widest array of content will remain available to a wide-ranging auidence. The commerical, legal streaming sites do not have that purpose.
Couldn’t agree more. I still buy heaps of DVDs (and even videotapes, when necessary) and always try to support labels like Criterion, Arrow, Second Run, Re:Voir and others that put so much effort into their releases. Nevertheless, the film distribution market as a whole, whether it be streaming or physical, is simply unable or (simply due to existing in a capitalist system) unwilling to cope with the extent of quality cinema that’s out there, and that’s a situation that won’t be changing any time in the foreseeable future.

Further limitations, such as region (and lately geoblocking) restrictions only make the situation harder for those of us living outside the US. Region-free players are easy to get here, mercifully, but bypassing streaming site location settings is a great deal more challenging – and that means that not only do we miss out on Fandor, Filmstruck and a range of other good services, but that our version of Netflix is even smaller and less adventurous than its overseas counterparts. It’s a situation that necessitates some form of engagement outside the market; surely only the most pious cinephile doesn’t in some way or other.

I don’t see the work of backchannels as merely justifiable; I see their work as absolutely essential, and would argue that they are among the most erstwhile defenders of public engagement with cinema.
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Re: The Future of Home Video

#431 Post by StevenJ0001 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:24 pm

Tropical Kaiju wrote:Quick question, all of you...

Should I spring for an Oppo UDP-203 while still available? I don't have any European of Japanese Blu ray discs, but I've been meaning to upgrade my system. I understand 4K discs are not region encoded at all. So, it would only be necessary to open up the possibility of buying non-region 1 blus.

I'm very happy with my Oppo multi-region DVD player, which is still trucking´after a long, long time.

I'm still burned by getting a HD-DVD player a month before Toshiba lost the format wars to Sony...

Is this a fool's errand?
I just bought one direct from Oppo--I was on the fence and this unfortunate news tipped me over. I've pined for an Oppo for years and was not going to miss out now!

I'm not sure I understand what you're looking for with regard to region capability, however. As you stated, 4K discs are not region encoded. Japanese Blu-rays are Region A, like the US, so you don't need a multi-region player for them if you're in the United States. Some but not all UK/European Blus are Region B, so you need multi-region capability for flexibility with UK/European Blus.

The 203 is Region A-only for Blu and Region 1-only for DVD, unless you buy a region-modded version as Drucker suggested.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#432 Post by DarkImbecile » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:06 am

MPAA Report: Physical Media Sales Continue Decline, Streaming Continues Rapid Growth
In 2017, combined global spending on theatrical and home entertainment hit $88.4 billion. Digital home entertainment, which includes streaming services, soared 31 percent year-over-year to $32.1 billion, while physical home entertainment spending continued to plummet, down 15 percent to $15.7 billion. But, thanks to digital — up a staggering 161 percent from five years ago — total home entertainment spending was up 11 percent ($47.8 billion).

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The Future of Home Video

#433 Post by movielocke » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:23 pm

And that digital 32 billion is without carrying any inventory, transit and manufacturing overhead costs associated with physical media.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#434 Post by fdm » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:26 pm

Drucker wrote:No. The player is fantastic, especially if you have CDs/SACDs.

The 203 is also available PRE-MODDED from 220 Electronics for the same cost of buying the player and doing the mod yourself via USB. I bought this two months ago and have been incredibly happy.
I just found out the external mods for the 103 may actually work on the 203, which would mean saving 60 bucks or so right there if you did it yourself (total could end up about $600 or so before shipping) (and I do now wonder what you would get different if you paid double for the 203 mod on ebay...).

I already have a 103 mod so I am leaning towards trying it myself to see, but at this point I'm pretty sure it's a viable, cheaper option than paying for someone else to include the mod. No proof until I do it myself, but others have claimed it works for them.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#435 Post by jedgeco » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:07 pm

fdm wrote:I already have a 103 mod so I am leaning towards trying it myself to see, but at this point I'm pretty sure it's a viable, cheaper option than paying for someone else to include the mod. No proof until I do it myself, but others have claimed it works for them.
If you do, please report back. I'm in the same boat with the 103 external mod.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#436 Post by fdm » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:33 pm

I added a little bit more information in the All-Region DVD and Blu-ray Player Advice thread the other day, and will do an update there once I know.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#437 Post by Boosmahn » Tue May 22, 2018 12:46 pm

mfunk, you could count anime distributor FUNimation in that list as well. Interestingly, they've started to phase out DVDs (in combo packs) in favor of digital copies, something I didn't expect given the sticky rights issues that often come along with anime. It's not just movies: 20-episode series such as Psycho Pass are getting this treatment, too.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#438 Post by mfunk9786 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:34 pm

Aren't anime fans a lot more likely to collect something like disc-based box sets, too? Surprised to hear that, I thought that next to porn, anime would survive the physical release apocalypse the longest.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#439 Post by Boosmahn » Tue May 22, 2018 5:16 pm

mfunk9786 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 3:34 pm
Aren't anime fans a lot more likely to collect something like disc-based box sets, too?
For sure. Granted, the whole collectors' sets are still going strong. Case in point Aniplex USA: their 12-episode Kiznaiver set costs $120, but it still sells. To buy their entire catalogue would set you back who knows how many thousands.

FUNimation in particular, however, hasn't completely fazed out DVDs. Only re-releases of shows they've put out before have digital copies instead of DVDs (as of right now); some sets even have both. I'm sure some studios haven't allowed for their shows to be available for free with purchase digitally, which is probably the only thing holding FUNi back.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#440 Post by Big Ben » Tue May 22, 2018 5:43 pm

My knowledge of anime extends to things like Akira or Miyazaki but I know for a fact that dubbing is really important for some people. Owning the "1997 version with with dubs by 'x' is a really big thing." I don't understand why but it's a real thing apparently.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#441 Post by Banasa » Wed May 23, 2018 1:53 pm

Big Ben wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:43 pm
My knowledge of anime extends to things like Akira or Miyazaki but I know for a fact that dubbing is really important for some people. Owning the "1997 version with with dubs by 'x' is a really big thing." I don't understand why but it's a real thing apparently.
It's not unlike fandom withing martial arts or Godzilla films. People who watched these things have a strong nostalgic appeal to how they may have first encountered it when they were younger. People were crying blue murder when they couldn't get a british dub of Drunken Master that was on the old vhs tapes of yore on their new blu ray.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#442 Post by MichaelB » Wed May 23, 2018 2:41 pm

Banasa wrote:People were crying blue murder when they couldn't get a british dub of Drunken Master that was on the old vhs tapes of yore on their new blu ray.
As was the Eureka production team, for the record. They really did try to secure it, but they were contractually required to release the film by a certain date and they just ran out of time.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#443 Post by Banasa » Thu May 31, 2018 11:25 am

Ah, is that the reason? What a shame. Yes, if I do recall they definitely were not ignoring the issue. I was just happy to have any sort of copy of the film in a more than decent edition.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#444 Post by cpetrizzi » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:46 pm

Tropical Kaiju wrote:
Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:38 pm
Should I spring for an Oppo UDP-203 while still available? I don't have any European of Japanese Blu ray discs, but I've been meaning to upgrade my system. I understand 4K discs are not region encoded at all. So, it would only be necessary to open up the possibility of buying non-region 1 blus.
Not only should you, you must get the 203. It's the industry standard. Even if you have to pay a premium now to get it, this player fits in with a $5k family room or a $100k home theater. You also get the advantage to play various other formats as others have stated here.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#445 Post by MichaelB » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:09 pm

I’ve had mine for over a year now, and have never once regretted buying it. If it’s recorded on a five-inch disc, it will most likely be able to play it.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#446 Post by David M. » Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:36 pm

There's a good selection of great players, so it doesn't have to be an Oppo. Panasonic's are also excellent, although unless I'm mistaken, they can't play SACD or DVD Audio which makes Oppo's a favorite for collectors of those.

Oppo make great players too, but they're not the only option for quality playback of BD and UHD BD.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#447 Post by david hare » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:05 pm

I have the Panny UD900 (as well as the 203) which is a superb player, best image Ive ever had from anything, and its audio is incredible. It can do superior bitmapping and read HDR metadata better than the OPpo and it does seamless handshakes for color mapping when talking to a 4K/HDR PJ or TV. My only problem with it is I cannot get a fucking region hack for Blu on it. (I end up having to rip and disable Region A discs with Any then play back from HDD. David,. do you know if the cheaper Panny players have the same tech for HDR and color spacing?

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#448 Post by David M. » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:31 am

The newer Panasonic UHD BD players add support for Dolby Vision (higher end only) and Panasonic’s HDR Optimizer (again only on higher end models). The latter feature essentially performs the tone mapping in the player rather than letting the display do it. So there is still a difference between models.

If by color spacing you mean their proprietary chroma upsampling, I believe they all have that, but it’s a pretty subtle improvement. I don’t hear any Oppo owners upset about how those players do 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 conversion, for example.

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Re: The Future of Home Video

#449 Post by EddieLarkin » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:25 am

Is there a reason other than the convenience of not having two players sat under your TV that one would need a hackable UHD player? I'm hoping to upgrade soon and had planned to just retain my ABC/R0 capable Oppo for all my HD and SD viewing.

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