Murnau, Borzage and Fox
- HerrSchreck
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Thanks for that Ola-- that basically solves it.
It'll be interesting to see the way the famous setup with the lamp up in the left upper corner (before the Vamp/Livingtone's shoeshine) is framed, and if this lamp is as chopped as the Movietone version.
It'll be interesting to see the way the famous setup with the lamp up in the left upper corner (before the Vamp/Livingtone's shoeshine) is framed, and if this lamp is as chopped as the Movietone version.
Re: Murnau, Borzage and Fox
Does it look like the best way to buy this is at Amazon @ $179.99 w/free shipping?
- Murdoch
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Deep Discount has it for $179.89 with free shipping, but I don't know how much you care about it being ten cents less.
- HerrSchreck
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Does anyone who has this know if the transfer used for Street Angel is sonorized with the original Movietone soundtrack, or did Fox just put out a silent version. I've been dying to know this since they released non-sonorized versions of Movietone films like Four Sons (and do I remember hearing that Hangmans House was Movietone too?).
- GringoTex
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I plan to first Netflix a single Borzage film, which will then determine if I purchase this set or not. Which film should it be?
- HerrSchreck
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You can't go wrong with Street Angel or Seventh Heaven (which I haven't seen all of vs online versions). But there's much rich pickin's and others may feel otherwise.
- foggy eyes
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- dadaistnun
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Dave Kehr: "Altogether, “Murnau, Borzage and Fox” represents the best that home video has to offer in quality, scholarship and enduring aesthetic interest; this is not a set that anyone will exhaust soon."
- HerrSchreck
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Indeed-- it hasn't landed in the living room yet, but I know this thing is the greatest use of the dvd medium so far.. with a far lesser "ewww" factor than the Ford box (as in klunker films).
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Stunning screen captures, indeed.
BTW, I've just received shipping notice from Barnes & Noble ("Weight: 9.40 lbs").
BTW, I've just received shipping notice from Barnes & Noble ("Weight: 9.40 lbs").
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I got the "shipped" e-mail from Borders Saturday evening. From what I've seen so far in the online tracking, I expect to see it tomorrow.zone_resident wrote:BTW, I've just received shipping notice from Barnes & Noble ("Weight: 9.40 lbs").
(I would have never expected last weeks 40% off coupon to work for a pre-order like this if I hadn't seen somebody here post about having done it.)
- Brian Oblivious
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The DVD contains what sounds to me to be a Movietone soundtrack with that authentic hiss- I don't know enough about the film to be sure of what versions exist or existed. Up to now I've only seen the film once, with a modern score composed and performed by the American Music Club.HerrSchreck wrote:Does anyone who has this know if the transfer used for Street Angel is sonorized with the original Movietone soundtrack, or did Fox just put out a silent version. I've been dying to know this since they released non-sonorized versions of Movietone films like Four Sons (and do I remember hearing that Hangmans House was Movietone too?).
As to the question "which Borzage should a newbie netflix", one might consider Seventh Heaven because the River (what's left of it anyway, which is, as someone (Kent Jones?) points out on the new documentary, basically all the love scenes and none of the action setpieces) is on the same disc.
- HerrSchreck
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Thanks-- another member confirmed the same thing, and once he indicated that you hear the lovers whistling for one another that clinched it.
(I actually have an old VHS tape from a very rare airing of the film yrs ago, with the original Movietone soundtrack. I lve those old score-effect-tracked silents.. Man Who Laughs, Sunrise, Tabu, etc.. but was a little worried because of what happened to Four Sons by Ford.)
(I actually have an old VHS tape from a very rare airing of the film yrs ago, with the original Movietone soundtrack. I lve those old score-effect-tracked silents.. Man Who Laughs, Sunrise, Tabu, etc.. but was a little worried because of what happened to Four Sons by Ford.)
- Brian Oblivious
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Incidentally, folks here might be interested to learn that half of page 122 of the 4 Devils: the Lost Film of F.W. Murnau book is devoted to the "So I've found a lost film" hoax from a little over a year ago on this very site. The respondents to that thread are referred to as "an impressive international fan base for 4 DEVILS."
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- justeleblanc
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I'm still upset about that being a hoax.Brian Oblivious wrote:Incidentally, folks here might be interested to learn that half of page 122 of the 4 Devils: the Lost Film of F.W. Murnau is devoted to the "So I've found a lost film" hoax from a little over a year ago on this very site. The respondents to that thread are referred to as "an impressive international fan base for 4 DEVILS."
- domino harvey
- Dot Com Dom
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Coincidentally, Wizard Magazine featured half a page on the Dot Com Forum's love of picture quotes and "Those cool Asian movies where people die in really crazy ways!!"Brian Oblivious wrote:Incidentally, folks here might be interested to learn that half of page 122 of the 4 Devils: the Lost Film of F.W. Murnau is devoted to the "So I've found a lost film" hoax from a little over a year ago on this very site. The respondents to that thread are referred to as "an impressive international fan base for 4 DEVILS."
- Matt
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I am holding the library copy of this in my hot little hands right now and fighting off the temptation to buy one of my own. A lovely set, even if the books are paperbacks and the DVDs are held in truly awful paper slits. It's clear all the packaging budget went into the the outer box, which is nicer and more elegant than any CD or DVD box set packaging I've ever seen (except maybe The Complete Ella Fitzgerald Songbooks set). I am just so happy to finally get a chance to see Seventh Heaven after hearing so much about it for the last ten or so years.
The reference to our forum in the book is kind of an embarrassment, not least to Criterion as we are implied to be their official discussion site.
The reference to our forum in the book is kind of an embarrassment, not least to Criterion as we are implied to be their official discussion site.
- swo17
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Matt, does your library butcher all non-conformist packaging to put everything in generic cases like mine does*?
*Note: This includes putting Eclipse titles in regular-sized nontransparent cases (so I have to pull out the cover sleeve to read the liner notes) and slaughtering digipaks--chopping up and awkwardly folding the outer box to fit in the outer sleeve, and then attaching any thick booklets to the DVD case with masking tape.
*Note: This includes putting Eclipse titles in regular-sized nontransparent cases (so I have to pull out the cover sleeve to read the liner notes) and slaughtering digipaks--chopping up and awkwardly folding the outer box to fit in the outer sleeve, and then attaching any thick booklets to the DVD case with masking tape.
- HerrSchreck
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Julia is holding up the tenderizer that is used to soften then mash the box, before the actual slaughter begins....
- Matt
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Only to a certain extent. I am too lazy to do all that work you describe, but all box sets are broken up and put into regular keep cases with simple custom covers. Anything in slim cases, like Eclipse titles, can stay that way. We need the space. In fact, most TV series sets that come in those abominable fold-out digipaks get put into transparent slim cases with custom covers. If I'm feeling particularly ambitious, those custom covers will be color copies of the box artwork shrunk to fit standard cover size. Usually they are just black text on white paper - an Adobe InDesign template.swo17 wrote:Matt, does your library butcher all non-conformist packaging to put everything in generic cases like mine does*?
*Note: This includes putting Eclipse titles in regular-sized nontransparent cases (so I have to pull out the cover sleeve to read the liner notes) and slaughtering digipaks--chopping up and awkwardly folding the outer box to fit in the outer sleeve, and then attaching any thick booklets to the DVD case with masking tape.
This particular box set will be broken up into 12 individual keep cases and the books will be cataloged and put in the stacks. I will probably cut up the interior disc-holding book to stick a couple of the stills on my office bulletin board, and the lovely box will probably end up in the trash along with our Scarface money clip, I Am Cuba cigar box, and Blade Runner origami unicorn. I know. It's a shonde. At least I kept the Universal Monsters busts and have them sitting on my desk.
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Jesus, the last thing we needed was for that douchebag Mr. 125100 to have his hoax enshrined in the mega-Murnau DVD release. That had to be, um, pretty much what he was after, right?
- HerrSchreck
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I thought the same thing-- the fucking knucklehead is sitting around thinking "Mission Accomplished For My Otherwise Loser Self."
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Just a heads up to anybody who wants the set. I have been checking before and after this set came out for the best price. Today, Barnes and Noble lowered the price to 20% off for members. That plus their 15% off coupon and the 10% visa link, it came out to a total of a little over $157. The killer was the $10+ tax to Florida, but what the heck.
If Deep Discount runs the 25% or even 20% off, that should be the best price next year. But for the impatient ones...
If Deep Discount runs the 25% or even 20% off, that should be the best price next year. But for the impatient ones...
- HerrSchreck
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Methinks me found me route to the promised land...
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The shipping gods are on my side, apparently, as both Ford at Fox back in July and now this (from Borders; at $145, Herr, the 40% coupon from earlier in the month would've been your best option) managed to arrive completely unscathed in transit, all discs snuggly in their holders. The only minor gripe I have is that there are a pair of cardboard chunks that need to be kept in the box so the two books don't bounce around.