You say that like it's no big deal, but I wouldn't even begin to know how to do something like that. Without wanting to derail this thread with a lengthy how-to, may I just ask how complicated it would be to do this? I'd love to have Hideko the Bus Conductress, but unless the entire screenplay consists of "good morning" and "thank you", I'd be lost without English subs.sidehacker wrote:You can always download the subtitles separately and then manually add them to your legitimately purchased edition. In the case of Hideko the Bus Counductress, there is (unfortunately) no other alternative.
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Actually -- the only decent looking version of Hideko the Bus Conductress was taped off Japanese TV. There is no commercial release yet -- and I fear there may never be one (Toho hasn't hinted at any further DVD releases -- and shochiku doesn't seem inclined to release any of the silents of DVD). So, if you want to see Hideko, you will have to settle for a non-commercial version of some sort (so might as well go with subbed -- if you can find one).
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This business of downloadable fan-subtitles really seems to be the future of hard-to-find movies passed around among collectors. Very often now when I Google some rare movie that's passing through NYC to see if there are copies of it out there, I get a hit on some Bit Torrent subtitles file. So I'm increasingly concerned by my complete lack of understanding on how to make this work. I've come across a few FAQs on the net that explain it, but they're all filled with lots of technobabble that's meaningless to me.
I'd be more than happy to join the Asian DVD Club and make any contribution that a non-Asian language speaker could, but they seem like a rather technologically exclusionary group.
I'd be more than happy to join the Asian DVD Club and make any contribution that a non-Asian language speaker could, but they seem like a rather technologically exclusionary group.
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blu-ray bootlegs
Just thought I'd let you all know.
I live in China and I was surprised to see today copies of recently released Blu-ray titles at my local 'dvd (discount) store'. Regular DVDs normally go for €1.5 a pop. These blu-rays were going for €3.0 a pop! So I guess it's not that hard or expensive to produce these discs! I'm curious to see how many, if any, Chinese people will go out and buy a blu-player to view these discs. Half of the people still buy and watch VCD! You really got to hand it to the pirates in Guangdong. They have no need to produce them, they are not going to make a fortune out of them, but they simply have the beautiful desire to provide the Chinese consumer with cheap ultra-high quality movies, good on 'em!
I for sure am not going to fork out x amount of dollars for a blu-ray player! (well, perhaps if I had a freakin' awesome display I might...but just have a regular CRT.)
I live in China and I was surprised to see today copies of recently released Blu-ray titles at my local 'dvd (discount) store'. Regular DVDs normally go for €1.5 a pop. These blu-rays were going for €3.0 a pop! So I guess it's not that hard or expensive to produce these discs! I'm curious to see how many, if any, Chinese people will go out and buy a blu-player to view these discs. Half of the people still buy and watch VCD! You really got to hand it to the pirates in Guangdong. They have no need to produce them, they are not going to make a fortune out of them, but they simply have the beautiful desire to provide the Chinese consumer with cheap ultra-high quality movies, good on 'em!
I for sure am not going to fork out x amount of dollars for a blu-ray player! (well, perhaps if I had a freakin' awesome display I might...but just have a regular CRT.)
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Re: Hideko
If one is releasing a DVD based on a public domain _source_ - - this would be true. But if a studio has done extensive restoration work on a film, the restoration itself might be copyrightable -- even if the underlying film is not. So simply copying a DVD of a copyrighted "restored version" might well violate copyright law.Glynford wrote:I thought I read somewhere that all pre 1952 Japanese films were Public Domain. If that is the case the only thing subject to possible copyright would be the fan subs!
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Re: blu-ray bootlegs
You sure these were actual BDs? The pirates around here have begun selling DVD-9s in Blu-ray (and even HD DVD!) packaging.SalParadise wrote:I live in China and I was surprised to see today copies of recently released Blu-ray titles at my local 'dvd (discount) store'. !
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Re: blu-ray bootlegs
Yes, they have been doing that here. But these were being sold in proper cases and when I spoke to the shop owner (who I trust) he said they were the real thing. One way is to simply check, but I don't think he would lie and sell them to me only for me to prove: "Hey, they work on regular DVD player! So they can't be real"The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:You sure these were actual BDs? The pirates around here have begun selling DVD-9s in Blu-ray (and even HD DVD!) packaging.SalParadise wrote:I live in China and I was surprised to see today copies of recently released Blu-ray titles at my local 'dvd (discount) store'.
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Does anybody here have a copy of Bob Dylan's 1978 film Renaldo & Clara? I've been wanting to see this desperately, and it seems bootlegs are the only way to go. I've seen some pricey ones around, but I'd much rather...you know... send somebody a dvd and have them just burn it for me or something. I know it's on youtube, but I'm looking to see the whole thing, uncut, on my T.V. Many thanks to anyone who responds.
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Bad Year For Bootleggers
A good year of rare releases means a bad year for bootleggers apparently.
RevengeIsMyDestiny.com (Shocking Videos) closed down and now superhappyfun.com is closing too (Aug 31 per the website). I also heard a rumor that pimpadelicwonderland.com is no more (or soon will be).
Does this mean that grey markets are a thing of the past or that they'll be scattered to the four winds and have smaller niche markets of gore, horror, Asian titles?
RevengeIsMyDestiny.com (Shocking Videos) closed down and now superhappyfun.com is closing too (Aug 31 per the website). I also heard a rumor that pimpadelicwonderland.com is no more (or soon will be).
Does this mean that grey markets are a thing of the past or that they'll be scattered to the four winds and have smaller niche markets of gore, horror, Asian titles?
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Otherwise, about a half-dozen Blue Ray titles began turning up in China a few weeks ago. The price, around $5 per, is quite expensive by Chinese pirated Dvd standards, but is sure to come down as they proliferate.
Is there supposed to be some sort of anti-pirating technology on BR's?
I'm pretty sure that I've read that over 95% of the DVDs sold in China are pirated. The only sources for legitimate DVDs are the gov't bookstores and a few cultural outlets (like the store in the Shanghai Grand Theater). Even in such stores they mostly sell dubious Bo Ying releases primarily of old films supposedly with lapsed copyrights. Bo Ying is shady, and crappy enough to routinely end a film before the credits begin to roll.
Due to the thriving pirate market, even the legit releases in China are sold for $5 or less per disc. So your idea of making a profit on legit releases is very difficult pricewise, and limited to gov't distributors.
Western studios do not normally enter the Chinese market because there is little money to be made and the pirated DVDs control the market. One or two labels have tried to sell legit DVDs in China for under $3. Don't think that's been too successful, as that's usually double the pirate rate. Not sure whether such efforts/experiments are still ongoing.
In short, you have to make an effort to find and buy legit DVDs in China, and they are priced at 2x or 3x the pirate price.
With cheap broadband easily available in China (US $15 - $20 per month), most young Chinese I know consider even pirated DVDs too expensive, and have switched over to downloading films.
Is there supposed to be some sort of anti-pirating technology on BR's?
I've lived in China since the advent of DVDs. Almost all of the DVDs produced and/or sold in China are indeed bootlegs. Many are high quality bootlegs, where the artwork on the cover and disc are very well done. More recent films tend to have worse quality and poor English on the covers (and Chinglish subs or perhaps subs from the wrong film).JacquesQ wrote:But do we have to suppose that all DVDs published in China or with Chinese subtitles are bootlegs? Isn't there one single Chinese publisher selling legitimate DVDs in China, that one could then also find on sale to Western customers by Chinese e-merchants?
I know nothing about that particular title, but let's say Studio X (in the West) sells the publishing rights for China to Y Corporation; the difference in income being what it is, one may well suppose that Y Corporation will sell the DVDs in continental China for far less than Western prices (let us not forget that the actual cost of physically making a DVD is around 10 cents, so there is still room for profit by selling for less than our usual $20) ; and may we not further suppose that some clever Chinese internauts get hold of a bunch of DVDs at internal Chinese price (say $5?) and sell them with a profit at $10?
Though it is obvious that many Chinese copies are bootlegs, it does not prove tha they all are. Admittedly making a line of conduct for oneself based on that is a difficult task, other than "I will not buy one Chinese DVD because so many are bootlegs" or "from now on I will buy all my DVDs in China because they are so mich cheaper". But wouldn't it for instance be feasible to obtain catalogues of "legal" Chinese publishers and see what's in them and at what cost? Or to ask a couple of major Western distributors who they sell their rights to for China, and where one may enquire about it (though they will certainly be reluctant, knowing that it would definitely allow anyone to buy DVDs "made in China" at 1/4 the price and with a clear conscience)?
I'm pretty sure that I've read that over 95% of the DVDs sold in China are pirated. The only sources for legitimate DVDs are the gov't bookstores and a few cultural outlets (like the store in the Shanghai Grand Theater). Even in such stores they mostly sell dubious Bo Ying releases primarily of old films supposedly with lapsed copyrights. Bo Ying is shady, and crappy enough to routinely end a film before the credits begin to roll.
Due to the thriving pirate market, even the legit releases in China are sold for $5 or less per disc. So your idea of making a profit on legit releases is very difficult pricewise, and limited to gov't distributors.
Western studios do not normally enter the Chinese market because there is little money to be made and the pirated DVDs control the market. One or two labels have tried to sell legit DVDs in China for under $3. Don't think that's been too successful, as that's usually double the pirate rate. Not sure whether such efforts/experiments are still ongoing.
In short, you have to make an effort to find and buy legit DVDs in China, and they are priced at 2x or 3x the pirate price.
With cheap broadband easily available in China (US $15 - $20 per month), most young Chinese I know consider even pirated DVDs too expensive, and have switched over to downloading films.
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I caught part of a program on NPR that was discussing this very phenomenon. Do you think the loss of these potential consumers will cause the bootleg shops to be forced out of business? Perhaps this situation is forcing the shop owners to switch to blu to stay viable...Lemmy Caution wrote:With cheap broadband easily available in China (US $15 - $20 per month), most young Chinese I know consider even pirated DVDs too expensive, and have switched over to downloading films.
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Re: Out 1
None exist... I'm surprised no one has attempted to translate the Italian subs, although. I've considered trying to slog through the incomprehensible French-Italian episodes myself, and use my minor understanding of french and italian to do it, but I don't have that sort of commitment.
KG, Cinema-Obscura, and Co. should band together and really attempt an open-source sub project, but alas.
KG, Cinema-Obscura, and Co. should band together and really attempt an open-source sub project, but alas.
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I know of someone who has a copy of Out 1:Spectre, apparently it is very poor quality, but it is subbed. PM for details.Has anybody on the thread had any luck finding an English-subtitled version of Out 1 or Out 1:Spectre?
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Re: Out 1
Some people at a certain file-sharing site are trying to whip up some subs using a previously-published English translation, but they were having a hard time syncing it to the Italian subs (and the translation they're working with leaves out too much), so they seem to have hit a brick wall.Cold Bishop wrote:None exist... I'm surprised no one has attempted to translate the Italian subs, although.
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Re: Out 1
Inter-est-ing. I was unaware of Spectre bootlegs, period, let alone subbed. Do you know what sort of source it looks it came from? (and do pm me if it isn't info they want out)myrnaloyisdope wrote:I know of someone who has a copy of Out 1:Spectre, apparently it is very poor quality, but it is subbed. PM for details.
Are they using .srt? If so, and if there not dead set on keeping it within only their file-sharing site, I'd recommend setting up an AtWiki open-source page per each episode and copying-and-pasting the information they have. I can't say I could help right off hand, but certainly it would leave it open to me, and if they passed the info around, any other interested party to help in creating and editing the subs. I'm sure there's a lot of people who would love to see subs, and some of them certainly must know enough italian and french to complete it.The Fanciful Norwegian wrote:Some people at a certain file-sharing site are trying to whip up some subs using a previously-published English translation, but they were having a hard time syncing it to the Italian subs (and the translation they're working with leaves out too much), so they seem to have hit a brick wall.